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Post by con's fly is open on Jun 11, 2005 20:53:06 GMT 7
I chunked out last year not so much because of the food , or even the so-cheap-it-might-as-well-be-free beer , but the lack of exercise: I lived at the school, and motorbike taxis are 2 kwai here. Chinese food uses less fat and sugar than Western cuisine. Just keep moving, kids. And, um, you know, I'll try to as well.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 11, 2005 21:39:35 GMT 7
Chinese food uses less fat and sugar than Western cuisine. I'm not entirely sure I agree. Chinese food has this reputation, but I can't say as I've seen it much in actual practice. Even simple stir-fried vegetable dishes here are usually literally swimming in oil. Pork is by far the meat of choice among the Chinese, and it is usually by no means lean. Many popular dishes, such as Hong Shao Rou or Hui Guo Rou, have more fat than meat. Meanwhile, the Chinese have a powerful sweet tooth and add lots of sugar even to things to which we add little or none- white breads, tomato sauces, and so on. Food south of the Yangzi seems to be especially sweet. In addition, Chinese food is some of the saltiest in the world. I've seen reports that the average Chinese gets something like 16 times the recommended daily allowance of salt. Chinese food is hyped as healthy, and it is- if you eat it in the traditional manner: Bowl of rice, lots of veggies on top, a bit of fish, very little meat.
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Post by gengrant on Jun 11, 2005 23:06:23 GMT 7
it also helps if you WALK everywhere...no taxi, bus, motorbike, trishaw, etc...my first stint in China I walked an average of 5-6 miles every day and ended up losing almost 30 pounds in 6 months...and ate anything and everything shoved in front of my mug! But I realize that for some, this is not practical...
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 12, 2005 6:33:21 GMT 7
It is going to be my approach, that, plus teaching the girlie about diets. I once wrote a weight loss book . . . .
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Post by woza17 on Jun 12, 2005 6:44:43 GMT 7
I agree with Gengrant, exercise will get the weight off more effectively. Beer is my problem. Have I missed something, I just realized this is the job wankers thread. Cheers Woza
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 12, 2005 7:08:09 GMT 7
Weight loss. My method people were losing 10-12 kgs in 4 weeks. Beer or any alcohol must be left out, due to the effect it has on insulin levels which are critical for weight loss. Same as sugar. And fat.
Two main ways of losing weight - acheive output greater than input by decreasing calories and increasing exercise etc. Best way, but slow. This will also lead to lifestyle change. But, can increase hunger feelings. Feeling hungry is the main cause of diet breakdown. Learn to snack on protein without fat and you can manage.
Second one is to temporarily alter your metabolism so that you chew up your body fat not your food. This is great for a quick fix, but everyone on the diet has eventually regained it after a couple of years, then shed it again, etc. Yoyoing is not good, so I didn't publish. I didn't even finish editing it, and have more that should be going into it as research continues. But I didn't.
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Post by hankuh on Jun 12, 2005 7:22:50 GMT 7
Also refrain from eating too much Chinese food that is swimming in oil.
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 12, 2005 7:37:17 GMT 7
fat = oil, only difference is the state at room temperature. Olive oil has same food value as lard. There are other differences, but as far as weight loss, they are identical.
For other reasons, not weight loss, the saturation of fats and oils can be guessed at by their viscosity. The runnier it is at room temp, then the less bad it is for other things, such as high blood pressure, cholesterol levels and ratios and heart conditions etc.
second lot of factors are other substances in it. eg fish with marine omega 3s. Vege omega 3s don't cut it. (sorry Nate)
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Post by Jollyjunklass on Jun 12, 2005 11:53:37 GMT 7
Are there a lot of gyms in China, or does it depend where you're at.
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Post by acjade on Jun 12, 2005 12:08:45 GMT 7
Most of the unis have gyms. Costs average about 150kwai for the semester.
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Post by con's fly is open on Jun 12, 2005 12:10:25 GMT 7
The craze in Canada right now is to stop obsessing about fats and oils. Yeah, keep them moderate, but focus on cutting down on sugar and flour. These stimulate production of insulin, and in a metabolic process I can't remember, tell the body to store more fat. Decreasing food intake can easily backfire: your boady says "oh, poo! we're starving!" and goes into weight GAIN mode. Exercise is still the best approach. Dammit.
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 12, 2005 12:41:09 GMT 7
mostly right Con. They say to take more protein. Protein makes you feel full, so you don't get hungry and don't go into hunger mode. however, there is still the input output thing and you can't beat it. Nor can you beat metabolic levels, as you say. Hunger mode will put on weight no matter how little you eat until you go into another set of metabolic rates. (however, snacking instead of meals keeps them up, as does breakfast) And your body will, that is must use up muscle tissue during a diet, unless you increase over all activity and exercise. there is a ratio, so much fat eaten up, then muscle, then bone then nerve tissue, depending on how much starvation is happening. But it won't use up all the fat first, then move on, etc. Insulin relates to glycolysis and glycosynthesis (glyconeogenesis) , where the stuff is turned into and from glucose and glycogen in liver and muscles. exercise is over rated, unfortunately, as is aerobic exercise etc. What actually turns glucose into mechanical energy is done by mitochondria, which do not increase with peak exercise, but only with constant levels of activity. So, walking everywhere will increase mitochondrial size and numbers, while one hour or whatever in a gym will not, even if every day. So, it isn't simply exercise, but what you do the rest of the day. What you have to do is work out which part of the process is your personal bottleneck, and open it up. Maybe I should simplify the thing so it is easy to understand. When I get time. hmmm. the CHO/insulin idea is what is behind the protein diets. The one I designed (with a doctor and a dietician, plus other consultants) is like a third generation protein diet. I put in some methods of checks and quality control, and simplified the second generation one where you have to measure everything. Plus some new psych and research on weightloss. eg, vinegar and citric acid appear to inhibit absorbtion of fats. So does chinese tea, especially green tea (or apparently any tea, but must be without milk or sugar.) Grapefruit also do this plus have chemicals in them to reduce fat levels (or was that cholesterol? will check later.), and apparently the pomelo has the highest. And hot chocolate has 5 times the antioxidants of gree n tea or red wine.
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Post by Dragonsaver on Jun 12, 2005 19:36:40 GMT 7
Wow, Mr (not really a) Nobody You pack one heck of a lot of knowledge. This thread is a definite keeper. I know I have a carbohydrate problem ie the more carbs I eat the hungrier I get. I can be physically full to the point of being uncomfortable, but still feel hungry and want to eat more. On a low carb type diet I can be full / satiated after half a steak and not want to eat more. I am more sensitive to wheat carbs than rice carbs. The blood type diet for an 'O' is as a carnivore ie more meat, fish etc. Basically food is in 3 categories, beneficial (medicine), neutral (food), or prohibited (poison). For an 'O' wheat and corn are in the last category. Rice is neutral. Beef is beneficial, chicken is neutral and pork is prohibited. I definitely agree about the exercise being important as well as the 6 snack-meals a day.
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 12, 2005 19:47:12 GMT 7
Rice is too high a glycemic index (GI) for most low CHO (carbohydrate) diets, especially jasmine, which has a GI higher than pure glucose. Before the research, I would have said, "impossible". Keep any CHO GI below 50 if possible.
For a guy probably want to go to 9 snacks on a protein diet. Six seems ok for ladies, but I have't met a guy who doesn't go into hunger mode on six. But each snack has to have the right amount of protein to fend of hunger, plus over all balance sufficiently to get the complete mix of vits, mins, etc during the day. But a protein diet isn't a balanced diet, and isn't supposed to be, but your body can handle this abuse if it is healthy. Diebetics, pregnancy, gall bladder problems and a few others can be a problem. High blood pressure medication may actually cause your blood pressure to go too low, since the diet also rapidly reduces blood pressure.
Drink at least 2-3 litres fo water, at least 250ml after each meal. Lots of reasons, including flushing out accumulated pesticides from burned fat storage and flushing out ketones that build up on a protein diet, and also that much water helps keep hydrated, feeling full, and uses up calories, and also slows down digestion. don't want to do the whole book here.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 12, 2005 19:58:10 GMT 7
Oh, enough of yer borax, Poindexter. Have a beer.
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 12, 2005 20:18:13 GMT 7
OK, sounds good. Phew, thinking slows your drinking.
Ah. Sorry Raoul. Work thread. This should be elsewhere?
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 12, 2005 20:30:49 GMT 7
Naw. Just had to give you some poo. ;-{)
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 12, 2005 20:43:54 GMT 7
Cheers! Here's to bubble wrap!
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Post by acjade on Jun 12, 2005 20:55:36 GMT 7
I'll second that. And where's my drink? The thingies I've learned about diet. Mr.N how did you learn all this stuff?
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 13, 2005 2:38:32 GMT 7
Wrote a book. 'Cause I was fat. -ter.
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Post by burlives on Jun 13, 2005 14:45:27 GMT 7
What actually turns glucose into mechanical energy is done by mitochondria, which do not increase with peak exercise, but only with constant levels of activity. So, walking everywhere will increase mitochondrial size and numbers, while one hour or whatever in a gym will not, even if every day. So, it isn't simply exercise, but what you do the rest of the day. Holy crap! So my mother was right! Actually, she swears by walking. She used to have a job were she had to park a mile or two away from the office and she said it was the best thing ever. Me, I bike, when I can. I really enjoy the possible constancy of it: crank twice (left foot push, one, right foot push, two), breath in twice; crank twice, breath out twice. Then I come home, shower, and go out and eat two bowls of rice, a dish of something, and drink a bottle of beer. Frankly, the time I lost most weight was in Thailand, walking to the school, eating rice twice a day, drinking beer once-a, and generally doing stuff with every waking moment. Except the weekend. When I just lay under the fan all day. Came back a svelter, more lively man. Yeah, those days disappeared quickly.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Jun 13, 2005 15:35:15 GMT 7
So because tea is automatically placed in front of you as soon as you sit down in a Chinese restuarant then maybe that is why the oily veges etc don't have the same weight increasing impact? I lost weight here - ate everything in sight, lived on campus, felt great. Went home for 3 weeks at Spring Festival - came back 4 kilos heavier. Have lost 2 of those (although the masseur says I am thinner, the scales don't!). But - I am drinking more alcohol this year than last - there seem to be more parties, and the other FT and foreign students enjoy sitting around with a few beers (or red wine and Chinese brandy - lethal combo that one!!). So I think the alcohol will not let the weight potter away as it did last year. Maybe I need to quit drinking?
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Post by woza17 on Jun 13, 2005 19:13:03 GMT 7
No Lotus, you actually don't drink that much. Well it's all relative I suppose. I tried to ring you the other day, I had a medical problem that I didn't want everyone to know about. Some drunken man answered the phone and told me to piss off, you were very busy. The other person I thought I could talk to was Mr N he seems to know so much about everything but I don't have his phone number and I didn't want to PM because it was an emergency. I would like some emergency phone numbers from the forum members for my different needs or moods.
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Post by Jollyjunklass on Jun 13, 2005 19:14:33 GMT 7
LOL you're too funny, class list please ;D I'll tell you what Woza, when I get there I'll PM you with my number, you can use me to pick you up off the street if the need ever surfaces. I will be gungho, and catch the first plane out.
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Post by woza17 on Jun 14, 2005 7:50:09 GMT 7
Good on you Millana. It goes without saying, I would do the same for you. Now we are getting closer to the Summer holidays schools, will be closing down. How goes the job search? I am going for an interview tomorrow for a junior middle school. I have a lot of experience with this age group. The recruiter I have been going through, although a nice guy, hasn't really got a clue. I would prefer to work for a school as opposed to a language school.
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