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Post by acjade on Jun 19, 2005 8:11:18 GMT 7
First of all Mr N: one night stands are usually alcohol/ et al induced. If not there's a slippage somewhere in the girlie's psyche. One night stands are rarely satisfying for a woman. Either physically, emotionally or in any other way. Most women require time and security with their partner to maximise their responses.
If you believe otherwise it's because women fake it. A sad but true phenomena. Ever heard the expression- Fake it 'til you make it?
And George: Women wear rose-coloured glasses because they are intuitive and emotional creatures. They also require a long term partner to help look after the kiddies. Ask Dr Cheezylove.
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Post by George61 on Jun 19, 2005 8:27:11 GMT 7
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 19, 2005 8:31:17 GMT 7
They ain't so satisfying for the guy either, once he gets over the dick-brain stage. Maybe at 40 or so.
We weren't talking about maximizing or anything. You said women do not lust, I said i don't beleive you. Nothing mentioned about kiddies or permanency. I just said it happened. No whiff of satisfaction was guaranteed or implied.
And lots of women go to bed with guys for a single night for no reason, no booze, no drugs, no future plans. Just want sex today. Have experienced it myself. I don't know why you haven't seen this yourself? In others I mean. Nothing was implied here, either. Maybe it is just Oz and Brit girls. I have seen it there, also, plenty of times. And Denmark, Germany and Sweden (well, a swedish girl tried to pick me up on a train from denmark to germany to go with her on her holiday in switzerland. I had to be elsewhere, otherwise it would have been nice). Haven't been to Canada or Usania.
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Post by acjade on Jun 19, 2005 9:03:39 GMT 7
I'm stickin' to my guns on this one. I didn't say however that women never experience sexual arousal. In fact they do. At ovulation, primarily and thereafter by emotional arousal.
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Post by George61 on Jun 19, 2005 9:18:54 GMT 7
Kinda like my ex-wife!
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 19, 2005 9:22:05 GMT 7
has no one ever told you that women only lust as long as they are in love? I'm stickin' to my guns on this one. I didn't say however that women never experience sexual arousal. In fact they do. At ovulation, primarily and thereafter by emotional arousal. I rest my case.  Later edit. OK, I put them in CHronological order. |
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Post by acjade on Jun 19, 2005 10:12:57 GMT 7
Gees you guys. Haven't you learnt anything. Women change their minds. Besides the two qoutes selected by Mr N are in no way exclusive.
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Post by Mr Nobody on Jun 19, 2005 10:17:52 GMT 7
Are you saying that you are using sexual arousal in this context to mean something other than lust? In which case it isnt relevant to the discussion. If, as it seems to me, that you are, then you just gave a situation in which sex is not dependant upon love.
Changing your mind is definitely allowed, as is saying oops, my bad. For men as well as women. Its cool. We can leave it there. Ok by me.
No worries. Cheers.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Jun 19, 2005 10:28:23 GMT 7
Jade, i am really sorry to do this to you, but as a female I am going to disagree with you. Sadly here I am going to break female solidarity and come in on Mr. N's side. There have been a few guys that have made my lust meter wobble dangerously. I have had no emotional involvement with them (and actually haven't acted on the wobble either - but maybe that is lack of opportunity - or fantastic self control  ). True I did not check what my hormones were doing at the time, so it could have been hormonally induced. Been even now - if I think about these guys I go - ummmm And one night stands do not always occur with an alcohol or lack of esteem base - sometimes there are other reasons. I wonder how much of female socialisation has linked the sex-love process? Is it another form of subtle control of women's bodies and minds? A process that is supposed then to give ownership of those needs and impulses to the guys we are supposed to love? |
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Post by acjade on Jun 19, 2005 10:55:24 GMT 7
Jade, i am really sorry to do this to you, but as a female I am going to disagree with you. ![]() photobucket.com/albums/v647/saloonsmile/ah.gifother reasons.quote] LE there is no need to apologise for a difference in opinion or experience. You are doing nothing to me. Your point about the role of socialisation is valid. Aka men. Nevertheless scientific studies including anatomical, psychological and biological indicate that a woman's sexual arousal is directly influenced by factors that are seldom found in a one night stand environment. That women have sexual fantasies is a biological/psychological fact and yet are in no way necessarily related to sex with a partner. I am in no way denying that women have sexual feelings. In fact many, many women have powerful sexual impulses from early childhood and continue to have them into old age. |
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Post by hankuh on Jun 19, 2005 11:21:38 GMT 7
;D Oh stop!
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Post by Lotus Eater on Jun 19, 2005 11:38:41 GMT 7
THA - I'd have mentioned if it had been YOU!  QiQi - he's all yours - and have fun with the wax! (That I might volunteer to help with!) Jade I think a clear definition of the lust and sexual arousal might be useful. Where do you see the differences? I can see that sexual arousal could occur in a range of situations (reading 'interesting' books etc), but my definition of lust would be sexual arousal/desire focused on a particular person. I.E. - I see therefore I want. (With apologies to Descartes.) |
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