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Post by Raoul Duke on Aug 11, 2004 2:47:01 GMT 7
<sigh> I always get typecast in the roles that involve on-camera vomiting. <sigh>
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Post by George61 on Aug 11, 2004 4:02:23 GMT 7
Motis, while I did get a chuckle from your scenario, I must point out that a "wowser" is a ..wait for it..." A person regarded as obnoxiously puritanical." However, everything else is pretty good, except for the atrocious "accent"
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Post by motis on Aug 11, 2004 4:46:15 GMT 7
Motis, while I did get a chuckle from your scenario, I must point out that a "wowser" is a ..wait for it..." A person regarded as obnoxiously puritanical." However, everything else is pretty good, except for the atrocious "accent" Dang, that WAS inappropriate usage, wasn't it? Well, please forgive my imperfect mastery of 'Strine, and thanks for schooling me, I may need it one day. If Bush declares martial law and cancels the election, I'm goin' Dan Anda and turning Ozzie or Kiwi. By the way, I'm "tucking my jolly jumbuck in my tuckerbag" RIGHT NOW, if you know what I mean, wink wink nudge nudge.
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Post by George61 on Aug 11, 2004 4:59:13 GMT 7
Who is Dan Anda?? I reckon you mean Darnunda.....gotta get the accent right, mate! ...you are putting a sheep into your lunchbox? ? ?.............that's sheer gluttony!!
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Post by con's fly is open on Aug 12, 2004 12:13:40 GMT 7
Don't worry, Motis, I'm keeping the mouse in the house and my eyes where they should be (mostly). Actually, we recently fired an FT for just that problem. It's a pleasure to have another loudmouth in the Saloon; I need someone else to put their foot in it once in a while, just to spread the shame around a bit. Welcome aboard. Hey, can you post the URL of that site? Dave's is repellant to me. Xiaoyu, has it occurred to you that you may have about half a dozen husbands here in China, sight unseen? Better line up some female friends, or you'll suffocate from testoserone poisoning. (Sorry, upon further inspection the pissing monkeys and vomit smiley gave a different impression- replace with:) .....
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Post by motis on Aug 12, 2004 15:39:00 GMT 7
Hey, can you post the URL of that site? Dave's is repellant to me. You mean the teflchinafreespeech site? Sure! If you want to join, just send an e-mail to: teflchinafreespeech-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Once you've subscribed, you can post a message to the group by sending e-mail to: teflchinafreespeech@yahoogroups.com Your message will be archived at the group's web site, and automatically sent out to all members who have their membership configured that way. You can set your account to receive each message as it comes in, receive a digest of messages periodically, or not receive messages at all (you can read them at the web site). The web site for the group can be found at: groups.yahoo.com/group/teflchinafreespeech/ I'm afraid the group is a bit dead at the moment, with so many people on vacation, and too many members who prefer to lurk. Every now and then they perk up, though... and with time, and more members, I'm sure it will become a lively group. There are very few rules, and I moderate with a velvet hand in an iron glove, so to speak... anybody can say anything they want, provided it isn't a commercial advertisement for something (if it's on-topic I might even allow that, though) or blatant religious proselytizing containing no content relevant to the group (I've got zero tolerance for that, no matter what religion it's promoting). There isn't anyone looking over our shoulders, so you can let your hair down and use the m'kay word all you want, and if it offends someone that's their problem. Likewise with unpopular opinions... the phrase FREE SPEECH is in the name of the group, after all, and free speech is something I take very seriously. For instance, while I feel very strongly that people who judge other people solely by their ethnicity, gender, or sexual preferences are m'kayin' JERKS, I will still defend their right to say whatever stupid, vicious, misguided, ugly thing they want to say... but I will also defend anyone else's right to tell them what moronic troglodytes they are.
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Post by con's fly is open on Aug 12, 2004 22:54:27 GMT 7
Cool. I won't have time to join until after vacation (say, about 2 weeks), but I'd love to take a look then. Maybe we can start a "Pissing, Moaning and Wild Speculation about Motis" thread.
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Post by slim on Aug 13, 2004 1:29:18 GMT 7
...anybody can say anything they want, provided it isn't...blatant religious proselytizing containing no content relevant to the group (I've got zero tolerance for that, no matter what religion it's promoting)...Likewise with unpopular opinions... the phrase FREE SPEECH is in the name of the group, after all, and free speech is something I take very seriously. For instance, while I feel very strongly that people who judge other people solely by their ethnicity, gender, or sexual preferences are m'kayin' JERKS, I will still defend their right to say whatever stupid, vicious, misguided, ugly thing they want to say... I'm not out to upset anyone, but it does sound a bit strange to allow a poster to say: KILL THE N*****S! But your finger would hit the delete key if they dared to say: JESUS LOVES YOU!
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Post by motis on Aug 13, 2004 3:59:04 GMT 7
I'm not out to upset anyone,</quote> And I'm not mad at you, Slim. but it does sound a bit strange to allow a poster to say: KILL THE N*****S! But your finger would hit the delete key if they dared to say: JESUS LOVES YOU! The difference is that we all believe there is such a thing as a black-skinned person. Anyone can easily understand that certain words, no matter how offensively unacceptable they may be, denote black-skinned people of African origin... and we can all agree that black-skinned people exist, which allows us to meaningfully debate whether or not they should be killed, and (more importantly) whether or not it is appropriate to lump them all together based on their continent of origin and/or the amount of melanin in their skins. The debate can take place within a tacitly agreed-upon framework of reality that is mutually acceptable without the necessity of anyone compromising their belief system. In contrast, the statement "JESUS LOVES YOU" can't even be argued with until and unless the person arguing against it takes a stance on whether or not Jesus is, in fact, real... which cannot be objectively proved or disproved. It may be a subtle difference, but it's an important one... it's the difference between a potentially resolvable difference of opinion, and a demonstrably unresolvable one. True, questions of racial prejudice are not often solved by rational debate, but it's the principle of the thing that matters. Just for the record, my personal opinion is that all humans are more or less equivalent to each other, genetically speaking, regardless of racial superficialities... it's culture that matters. To my way of thinking, everyone has a right and a reason to be proud of their ancestors, and that pride should only be checked when it begins to infringe on the racial pride of others. In other words, it's good to be proud, as long as you're not proud of not being someone else. Me, I'm white... and I'm proud. I don't see a problem with that, because my pride doesn't come from looking down on people who aren't white. I split with the mainstream of American liberal thinking at the point where they say that all cultures are equivalent in value. Sorry, but I just think that's crap. Some cultures are better than others, a fact that can be verified in a practical, logical, rational manner. Kindly note that this is NOT the same thing as me claiming that my own culture is the best one.
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Post by Steiner on Aug 13, 2004 11:54:45 GMT 7
Seems like splitting hairs.
How can you argue with a command like KILL ALL THE *******? You can't. You can just say, "OK," or "No, I won't." Anything beyond that is just discussing the value of the statement itself. And that's the same as with JESUS LOVES YOU. You can't argue the statement. You can just say, "OK," or "No, he doesn't." Anything beyond that is just discussing the value of the statement itself.
If having concrete facts is necessary to a discussion, then there'd be precious little discussion. You couldn't have argued whether the war in Iraq was justified or not, for one thing, since no one really knew what was going on or what the facts were.
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Post by con's fly is open on Aug 13, 2004 12:26:09 GMT 7
Yes, when the facts are hazy, argument and debate become predicated on conjecture. This problem is best handled by a (hopefully brief) caveat: if so, then...
Canada has handled the problem of "all N*****s must hang" by passing an Anti-Hate law, making it illegal to publicly promotoe hatred against a group. The terrible problem is finding the line: the law is quickly making it impossible to express a negative opinion about ANYTHING.
It's been my experience that censoring bigots does a blessed service when it might be introduced out of context; but in a free-speaking forum, it interferes with the flow of thought. Racism et. al. is very difficult to back up logically, and the only time I've ever seen someone hold this ground was when everyone else responded by "you're just a ______ist" and "you can't say that!"
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Post by motis on Aug 13, 2004 17:30:10 GMT 7
Maybe it is splitting hairs, to a certain extent... but that's my perogative as the moderator. Besides, while we often get people joining the group for no other reason than to harangue us about Jesus, or people joining the group to post totally off-topic ads, I have yet to see anyone join just so they can try to tell us who to hate.
Grrrrrr, proselytizers. Keep it to yourselves! Jesus is trying VERY VERY HARD to like you a little bit, but me, I find that impossible to do when you're forcibly shoving your banal, internally inconsistent mythology down my throat.
What really gets me is the assumption that Jesus freaks have that their gospel needs to be constantly propagated in this fashion. Once, in the middle of downtown Anchorage, a man stepped up to me and said "EXCUSE ME, BROTHER, BUT HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS?"
"NO," I replied. "I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT! YOU SEE, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN A LOCKED BANK VAULT HIDDEN UNDER A GREAT BIG ROCK IN A SECRET CAVE ON MARS."
Needless to say, I got the job.
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Post by George61 on Aug 13, 2004 21:18:51 GMT 7
jesus Christ, this has been one looooooong m'kaying introduction!
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Post by con's fly is open on Aug 13, 2004 23:02:44 GMT 7
Hi, everyone! My name is Con, and I'm an English teacher! It's gonna be sooo fun talking to all you boys and girls- you can tell me about all the neat places you live, and I can tell you about the Lord!
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Post by motis on Aug 14, 2004 2:08:22 GMT 7
you can tell me about all the neat places you live, and I can tell you about the Lord! Hi Cons! My name is Prince Albert, and I live in a can! Who is this Lord person?
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Post by con's fly is open on Aug 14, 2004 16:42:17 GMT 7
Never heard of the LORD!!! Jack Lord, star of Hawaii Five-O! Where are you from, China?
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Post by Nate M on Sept 14, 2004 5:52:27 GMT 7
Hey, we've had quite a few new members sign up since Motis: where are they? Make your presence felt, everybody!
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Post by Raoul Duke on Sept 14, 2004 20:32:54 GMT 7
Yeah, a lot of people have joined but not posted. What are ya, more of Hamish's friends and family or something? Come on!
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Post by Hamish on Sept 14, 2004 21:04:46 GMT 7
hey. Hey! HEY!!!
@#^%$@!!!!!
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Post by hankuh on Oct 7, 2004 8:08:52 GMT 7
This is my first post: I am Up Country. You probably know me, but you don't know you know me, and so you are left wondering, who is Up Country, and after reading this introduction, you probably don't care and feel a little bloggy about the whole thing. Anyway, stay healthy, watch what you eat, and know who you're sleeping with, and stay the hell out of the Anhui Province!
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Post by con's fly is open on Oct 7, 2004 22:37:09 GMT 7
Anhui? Is that near Edmonton?
Welcome aboard. I know nothing about Anhui. What up with that?
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Post by hankuh on Oct 10, 2004 11:29:10 GMT 7
Anhui Province is a wretchedly polluted to the hilt, poor province between Shandong and Jiangsu and a place that you are better off not knowing. If you do go there, go to the capitol city of Hefei, but it's really not worth your time to spend more than a day there. I teach five hours north from Hefei at a teachers college. There's nothing up with Anhui Province except an incredible amount of corruption and a lot of pervasive isolationists among the Chinese populace. I envy those foreigners teaching in Shanghai and Beijing. One day , god willing, I will be teaching there or else through some blessed act of a political power and a consulate, returning home with my wife. Anyway, thanks a lot for welcoming me. I find this forum a LOT better than that other ESL forum. Thanks be to Raoul!
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Post by Raoul Duke on Oct 10, 2004 21:06:09 GMT 7
Aw, c'mon. What Anhui lacks in cleanliness, good governance, or points of interest, it more than makes up for in poverty, ignorance, and disease.
If it weren't for Anhui, who would do all the nasty cleaning and construction jobs in Shanghai? Who would sell our fruit or haul away our used restaurant grease? No, I'm grateful for Anhui. And I'm even more grateful to not be there.
Thanks, dude. Glad you like it, and we're glad you joined us. Tell your friends!
(PS- If you come to Shanghai, there'll be a cold'un in the fridge for ya.)
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Post by davis on Oct 25, 2004 17:48:58 GMT 7
Well, I suppose I ought to jump in here and quit lurking. I'm Davis. I've been teching in Nanning for the past couple of years. On my third tour now. I'll pass the half century mark next month. I'm a jack of all trades,master of none kind of guy. I did a couple of stints at two different colleges but found that studies interfered with my alcohol and drug addiction so I gave up the schooling. Worked with the MR/DD population (that would be retards to you politically incorrect) before coming to China. After 12 years I found myself becoming a tad bit jaded and so I got out. Now I have a wonderful Chinese wife and step-daughter and life is good. So good, in fact ,that I pay someone else to teach them English because I'm too damn lazy. For entertainment I like to go to one of the local bars on the weekends and play guitars with other Laowais and get hammered. Afterwards I like to hop on my motorcycle and drive home using Chinese characteristics.
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Post by con's fly is open on Oct 25, 2004 23:28:40 GMT 7
Nice to meet ya, Davis. I'm Con, the most brilliant man here. I just got home from my first year in the Middle Kingdom, served in a dowdy but affluent town in Liaoning Province. Perhaps you and some of the other married-into-China folks here could collaborate in a Buyer's and Owner's Guide for Chinese Wives; I'm too old to be single.
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