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Post by Canuck on Jul 4, 2005 23:07:12 GMT 7
Yeah.. it really is a lot of juggling anyway.. actually 1 or 2 main jobs to take care of the expenses. I don't think the well known language mills will be around much longer (WTO integration to be complete in March 2006) so I'm pushing the TEFL thingie. But this place is abuzz with new and remarkably inane language mills. I sit at Starbucks for any length of time.. I always seem to get job offers. And the resume looks okay with 17 years of IT, college diplomas in IT and accounting.
also the language mills are all that you say they are.
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Post by con's fly is open on Jul 6, 2005 20:34:16 GMT 7
Dude, I see job ads for IT laowai. They pay obscene amounts of cash. You might think to market/network with the geeks around town- there's pooploads to be made.
Wish I were in your boat.
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Post by Canuck on Jul 6, 2005 20:45:45 GMT 7
there's pooploads to be made. Hi Con, please enlighten me.. Ihaven't seen the ads yet.
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Post by con's fly is open on Jul 6, 2005 20:54:57 GMT 7
I've caught the odd IT English job in my searching. They always offer buckets of money, so I think with a narrow search you could find a gig with short hours to cover your necessities. Bear with me here: now in my second year of teaching English to the college-bound, I've noted that the computer guys have poo for English skills. A lot of times they'll have to read manuals that aren't available in Chinese. Between explaining these to them, tutoring them in English generally, and assisting in translating these manuals, you're looking at a very big, and very high-paying industry. How to tap into it? I'd think that the day job would give you some good networking inroads. As to jobs, I'll PM them to you as I encounter them.
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Post by Canuck on Jul 6, 2005 21:23:30 GMT 7
I get a lot of requests to do corporate training still riding on the backs of so called language mills. The IT professionals I have taught in Beijing are actually pretty good in English as a result of having to read English tech docs. I taught a class last year for a company owned by Qing Hua Uni in BJ. I'm going to teach a demo for Dell English International tomorrow. They advertise between 120 and 180 rmb per hour. I did the Qing Hua gig through Modern English and it was a bad experience.. although the class was great and my teaching experience is more developed now. Unfortunately I don't have a degree, just a diploma.
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Post by acjade on Jul 6, 2005 21:42:20 GMT 7
Didn't a law just get passed stipulating FT's must have a Bachelor Degree?
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Post by con's fly is open on Jul 6, 2005 21:44:13 GMT 7
Sounds good to me. A steady gig at that rate will put jiaozi on the table.
And consider this, Canuck: they need the piece of paper for legal purposes. 17 years in the industry speaks for itself. You johnson's way bigger than you seem to think it is.
Bottom line: they're not interviewing you- you're the goods. There aren't enough FTs generally; FTs with IT are economic TNT.
You're interviewing them: are they for real, or are they looking to m'kay you? You're money, dude.
Raoul, am I wrong?
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Post by Canuck on Jul 6, 2005 22:51:38 GMT 7
Actually you can't get the 'Z' visa without the degree.. and there are ways around this. The 'F' visa states that you can't work which means technically you can't get paid. You can consult for cost of living expenses.. nowhere does it say there is a limit on your living expenses. Idon't put anything in the bank.. and you can't leave the great PRC with kuai qian because it is not an exchangeable currency. If any immigration police ask me.. the owner of the school is a friend of mine and I'm doing him a favor. No money changes hands, no paper trail.
At least I hope this will work.
The training centers here don't hire people with 'Z' visas.. at least I haven't met any.
This last year I have been just building up my teaching skills.. at the moment I am working on the TEFL certificate.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jul 6, 2005 23:30:35 GMT 7
Try sites like That's Beijing or That's Shanghai. Or Zhaopin.com. All links are on the links page...
That sounds like Modern English BJ, all right....nightmare experience with great students.
Wish you were in Shanghai or Suzhou. I could sure put you to work here... I have PT openings that are proving hard to fill...
I think you can get a Z without a degree. You just have to have some shiny piece of paper that will convince them you're a Foreign Expert. Some local bureaus are more gullible than others.
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Post by Jollyjunklass on Jul 7, 2005 0:02:36 GMT 7
I'm pretty sure you can also. I have been trying to search the link but can't find it right now. They say BA but..... They include work experience in this category. It seems like they leave the qualifications open ended to suit whatever the need may be at the time. Also, I believe different provinces have different requirements. I will keep my eye out for the web link.
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Post by Canuck on Jul 7, 2005 21:23:24 GMT 7
This could be true.. Iremember last time I came back from Canada.. Ididn't read my visa where it said 0 entries.. ooops. So at the airport they shuffled me off to a little room where Ipaid a visa lawyer 600 rmb for a thirty day L visa which I quickly upgraded to an F visa. I recived my L viusa in 20 minutes.. while the visa lawyer, in front of the visa agent explained how she could get me a Z visa for 5000 rmb. I think the trick is to have a letter of offer from a qualified employer and the right labor code. I think 5000 RMB is just too much money to pay.
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Post by Jollyjunklass on Jul 7, 2005 21:30:16 GMT 7
Where are you guys seeing this Z Visa only for Bachelor thing. I would be curious to see the site.
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Post by Jollyjunklass on Jul 7, 2005 21:35:32 GMT 7
Can someone fill me in here. Does the Z Visa come from this end or that end. Who decides if you get the Z Visa, The Embassy over in China or the Chinese Embassy in Canada.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Jul 7, 2005 22:40:01 GMT 7
I got my Z visa from the Chinese Embassy in Oz. Sent the letter of offer plus money. 10 days later - nice Z visa in my passport.
Here I give my passport to the FAO and they fix it for me at the local PSB - takes less than a week.
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