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Post by joe on Oct 16, 2006 20:32:26 GMT 7
I tried posting this on the Manly Men's Room board where Manly Men do Manly things with other Men, just being Men, but I couldn't think of anything that wasn't humiliating.
What's your take on prostitution in China?
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Post by George61 on Oct 16, 2006 20:43:09 GMT 7
Oh, come now, Joe. You know perfectly well that prostitution does not exist in China!!
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 16, 2006 20:56:02 GMT 7
I don't take it.
Actually, the one with the inside info is woza. Woza taught some prostitutes English or something, since then they can charge more or something.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 16, 2006 21:29:21 GMT 7
What's to take on it - it exists like every other country around. Not something I am in favour of (not especially from a moral point of view, but from a frequently 'enforced economic necessity' point of view), but figure it is stupid to make it illegal, force it underground and into crime syndicates with no protection for anyone.
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Post by joe on Oct 16, 2006 22:19:45 GMT 7
From one point of view, this town is full of prostitution. A bus ride at night will show rows of pink light hairdressers on a good few of the main streets. I was introduced to a club where there is topless dancing with snakes. A loud pounding music place where the snakes are brought out as adornments and gentlemen are brought up on stage to have their shirts removed and snakes waved at them. Oddly, it's a family place. Families bring their kids. It's one of those places where you can look across the bar and on the other side of the scantily clad dancing girl is a kid and a parent, and about ten young guy patrons in the background dancing around shirts off.
And no one gives a damn about English. If you can't get by in Chinese, or you can't wave money, you're out of the loop. It's a completely different environment from a school. I guess that's sort of obvious, but I mean the people speak in a different way. There's a robustness to the people, and none of this fey crap that you get from English speakers. I'm not sure who are the real Chinese.
The kind of interesting thing is the robustness of the working people, and the instinctive anger of the civilians. Anyone and everyone who isn't in the job knows to say "Aizi bing! Aizi bing!" Maybe the difference is just professional facade. I don't know.
I used to live in Fitzroy, Melbourne. Around the city centre you could tell the strip bars or the brothels by the blacked-out windows.
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Post by solongtinik on Oct 17, 2006 15:21:59 GMT 7
china is a country of contradictions...
i had four male comrades in my town before summer ended. they introduced me to many things...resto,malls,bbq tore,dumplings place...and pinklights! out of curiousity, i went with them! it was so amazing that the pinklights girls chose my friends who were offering 32 yuan, yes! u've read it right! 32 yuan, over the chinese men who were offering them 300 yuan! foreigners are still the priority even in prostitution!
why country of contradictions?
my friends and co-teachers(chinese of course) often say they are conservative and that they dont allow any immoral whatever but immorality (as i see it) is just around the corner! available to anybody at just a 20 yuan rate!
this morning, i woke up with a chinese girl in the receiving area of my friend's flat (waiguoren)...i was wondering why he didnt intorduce her to us until i talked to her (when my friend left) and then finally realized that she's from pinklights, she avoided to answer that topic though...
nothin against prostitution...common in my country but not as rampant in china!
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Post by joe on Oct 17, 2006 15:40:56 GMT 7
i had four male comrades in my town before summer ended. they introduced me to many things...resto,malls,bbq tore,dumplings place...and pinklights! out of curiousity, i went with them! it was so amazing that the pinklights girls chose my friends who were offering 32 yuan, yes! u've read it right! 32 yuan, over the chinese men who were offering them 300 yuan! foreigners are still the priority even in prostitution! I'm finding this very hard to believe, unless they were arranging massage. If prostitutes are stupid enough to underbid themselves, their bosses certainly aren't. One common claim when I lived in Wenzhou was that there were street whores available for 3-5 yuan. I found this likewise astonishingly unlikely and asked if it could be true. The answer offered was that Wenzhou was a business town and hookers were, almost literally, a dime a dozen. I doubt that any of it is true. The thing--well, one of the things--I find interesting around here is, I'm really not anywhere near any tourist zones, and this town isn't a destination. Whatever goes on here is set up for Chinese, presumably by Chinese.
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Post by solongtinik on Oct 17, 2006 15:45:54 GMT 7
joe, i was with em and i was sober that time...i didnt know why the girls chose em over the chinese men maybe because my town has very few foreigners like...20 max!
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Post by joe on Oct 17, 2006 16:00:04 GMT 7
Okay, I'll have to believe eyewitness testimony. I still find it hard to believe foreigners are any kind of priority, not in such an ephemeral trade as sex, unless they pay over the odds, which they do in tourist towns. Rarity of foreigners shouldn't make them a premium; it should make them less so.
Do you mean there was a bidding war between some foreign guys and some Chinese guys? And the foreigners won by offering less? To be blunt, were both sides asking for the same thing?
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Post by Escaped Lunatic on Oct 17, 2006 22:59:09 GMT 7
Perhaps if foreigners are extremely rare in that area, the pink ladies had their own bidding war to see which of them could be the first to score with one of those "exotic" men.
“Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for love, and then for a few close friends, and then for money.” - Moliere
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Post by solongtinik on Oct 18, 2006 15:21:42 GMT 7
joe,
i dont know how to convince u but it did happen... foreigners (especially whites) are considered to be deities! LOL! as observed!
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Post by Da Dan on Oct 18, 2006 15:56:49 GMT 7
Haikou has a few alleyways where women sit outside... 15 Yuan was confirmed by a few of them when a Chinese friend & I walked down, he asked & they said..... I believed them but in Hainan the going rate is a hunerd a pop for the young sweet kine in shops....
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Post by joe on Oct 18, 2006 22:26:05 GMT 7
I believe 100.
I also know girls who shine when they talk about their "xiao hai".
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Post by con's fly is open on Oct 18, 2006 23:29:49 GMT 7
Seems staffed by gals who've just moved into town and discovered how much a job at Kedi will pay. I remember someone piosted a sad story of a woman who was murdered by a john; they posted her diary of letters to her husband back home. They were truly beautiful, deep, moving read.
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Post by Crippler on Oct 19, 2006 8:53:38 GMT 7
I'm with George, the sex is free. It is the massage and lively dialogue that is charged for... I would say more but there are ladies present!
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Post by Uli on Oct 19, 2006 9:25:16 GMT 7
Prostitution will develop into a huge (I mean: HUGE) business in 20 years or so when the lack of girls will hit China with full force...
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Post by Dr. Gonzo on Oct 19, 2006 10:11:40 GMT 7
You don't have to dine at fast food "restaurants" in a Western city to know the place is full of them. Prostitution is as prevalent, and as up-front, in China. And as rural poverty continues to grow, so will the supply of sex workers. Supply will always exceed demand, and prices at the bottom end will remain low. In Guilin, street girls were refered to as "gong gong qi che": public bus, so cheap that anyone could afford a ride.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 19, 2006 10:15:02 GMT 7
Won't the real lack of girls be in the rural and remote areas, where families are permitted to have additional sons, and where girls are valued least and therefore relatively easily 'disposed' of?
Migrant workers will be looking for girls in the city, but it will be a sellers market, and the girls will know that they can get either high kuai for their 'output' or more easily get married. Will China start importing illegal immigrants to fill the need - Korean and Japanese 'comfort women' maybe?
Economics is a wonderful thing.
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Post by Dragonsaver on Oct 19, 2006 11:46:38 GMT 7
... I would say more but there are ladies present! Like dah! Isn't that what the 'men's lounge is for??'
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 19, 2006 15:20:35 GMT 7
Heard today in the predominantly Chinese areas it is 50Y for cuddle and chat, more if you go upstairs. Not sure what it is in the tourist areas.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Oct 19, 2006 15:30:22 GMT 7
I hate to do it, but I've taken down a couple of posts containing an extremely inappropriate message. I sincerely thought the first poster in that set was above such things. You're welcome to have all the personal grudges, issues, frictions, etc. that you want, I guess. If you must. Just don't bring them in here, please. Meanwhile, who was the comic who said "We don't pay prostitutes for sex. We pay them to leave when we're finished."?
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Post by Escaped Lunatic on Oct 19, 2006 21:46:09 GMT 7
>taken down a couple of posts containing an extremely inappropriate message Damn. I always miss out on the inappropriate messages. >Prostitution will develop into a huge (I mean: HUGE) business in 20 years or so when the lack of girls will hit China with full force... Does anyone have the actual M:F deographics since the one child policy went into effect? I've heard a lot anecdotally, but never any hard figures. Anyone here noticed a M to F ratio way off from 50:50 at your schools? >Won't the real lack of girls be in the rural and remote areas, where families are permitted to have additional sons, and where girls are valued least and therefore relatively easily 'disposed' of? Rural areas have other . . . options. Baaaaaaaaad options. “A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.” - Ayatollah Khomeini
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Post by teleplayer on Oct 20, 2006 3:09:02 GMT 7
[quote author=loony board=living thread=1161005546 post=1161269169 Does anyone have the actual M:F deographics since the one child policy went into effect? I've heard a lot anecdotally, but never any hard figures. Anyone here noticed a M to F ratio way off from 50:50 at your schools? [/quote] Does anyone have the actual M:F deographics since the one child policy went into effect? I've heard a lot anecdotally, but never any hard figures. Anyone here noticed a M to F ratio way off from 50:50 at your schools? [/quote] www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=20562Article Date: 03 Mar 2005 - 1:00am (PDT) According to the latest government statistics, 119 boys are born for every 100 girls in the country, and the disparity is even wider in some rural areas. The ministry of health issued warnings last year about disparities in sexes and not enough young to take care of their rapidly growing elderly population. www.prb.org/Template.cfm?Section=PRB&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=14200China's Concern Over Population Aging and Health by Toshiko Kaneda (June 2006) As late as 25 years ago, China was concerned it had too many children to support. Today, however, China faces the opposite problem: as a result of the success of its "one-child" policy, the country faces the prospect of having too few children to support a rapidly aging population (see Figure 1 for China's projected aging trend between 2000 and 2050).
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 20, 2006 5:59:09 GMT 7
I wonder what makes them think that the lazy selfcentred little bastards darlings are even going to try to look after their aging parents.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 20, 2006 6:44:36 GMT 7
I wonder what makes them think that the lazy selfcentred little bastards darlings are even going to try to look after their aging parents. All of the one's I teach talk about making the lives of their parents better. I have one student who has said he doesn't care about himself in his relationship with his future wife - just so long as she can look after his mother he will be happy. It's a different world. But I think setting up a very flash network of 'retirement villages' and nursing homes would also be a goer! And I believe there is something like 60million 'missing' females in the population. (IRIS)
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