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Post by Dr. Gonzo on Apr 19, 2006 5:17:45 GMT 7
There's a position in Qingdao on our jobs board. Yeah, it does sound pretty good, but the Korean aspect worried me. Their kids have a reputation. Then Hamish published this link to a blog maintained by someone actually working at the advertised school. joshinchina.uniblogger.com/Being anally penetrated and bashed in the bollocks by a seven year old does not excite me, though it may some of you. Anyway, if you go to Korea, at least you'll get paid considerably more for your pain. |
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Post by Hamish on Apr 19, 2006 5:21:10 GMT 7
Yeah, although I think the ball busting happened at a primary school. The blogger is also the guy who placed the ad and is actng as an AGENT for Dr. Paul's.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Apr 19, 2006 5:38:19 GMT 7
Yes, but it's kind of a tough spot for us. I agree that this is not the best situation. However, I also happen to know that some of our members are applying for those jobs. As long as they still want them, I don't want to do ANYTHING that might jeopardize their chances of success.
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Post by Dr. Gonzo on Apr 19, 2006 6:32:59 GMT 7
I like the fact we don't just publish an ad then wash our hands. Nice work Hamish. This does give those members applying a bit more to go on. It's not the employer who looks bad, but the clientele.
Never work with children or animals.
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Post by George61 on Apr 19, 2006 7:45:07 GMT 7
Let's just say that the phone interview was a little different from the blog entries.
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Post by Hamish on Apr 19, 2006 8:03:26 GMT 7
Let's just say that the phone interview was a little different from the blog entries. How so? Spill it buddy! |
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Post by Dr. Gonzo on Apr 19, 2006 8:12:21 GMT 7
T Being anally penetrated and bashed in the bollocks by a seven year old does not excite me, though it may some of you. George! I'm shocked and appalled! |
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Post by George61 on Apr 19, 2006 8:38:21 GMT 7
Check your PM. I'll tell later. I might still have a job!!
Actually, I have a nice selection of potential jobs at the moment. No final decisions yet.
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Post by JoshatDrPauls on Apr 23, 2006 20:51:43 GMT 7
Haha... I totally did not expect you guys to stumble upon my blog. Yes, I am both the recruiter for Dr. Paul's AND the writer of said blog. The majority of the job-related pissing and moaning I did on my once-upon-a-time-thought-relatively-private blog is in fact about other schools in the area. Here's a cut and paste of my most recent blog entry, which I hope will clear things up for all of us.
This is my blog, for myself, my friends, and my family back home in America! I use it to complain about little Korean kids punching me in the testicles, as you probably would too if you had a blog and were punched in the testicles by small children. I have never been punched in the testicles while working at Dr. Paul's, which is actually a pretty lovely school in which most students are really a joy to be around, with the occasional indulged brat just like any private school that's capable of paying it's teachers a massive salary. In fact, I have never been severley sexually harassed or otherwise brutalized by a small child at Dr. Paul's. Both such incidents of raucous and agressive behavior occurred at a different school at which I taught part time, before I ever became a recruiter for Dr. Paul's. Please leave my blog alone, write to me if you're interested in the job, and have a fantabulous day. Peace and Love, Josh
At one point I thought I would be all professional and detached about doing this recruiting thing... but as most of us expats can attest, so few endevours abroad turn out as we expect, but vive le difference, I suppose.
George61, I enjoyed our conversation, and I should to get back to you in the near future to let you know where things stand with my boss. We're still interviewing, and I hope to get back to you with a concrete answer in the next two weeks.
Also, in case any of you are still concerned about rampant testicle abuse at Dr. Paul's, two of my colleagues long ago expressed their willingness to be contacted by prospective teachers. I'll be happy to e-mail you their adresses.
By the way, this is a pretty cool community you guys have going on here. I hope to be a part of it after I'm finished recruiting.
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Post by con's fly is open on Apr 24, 2006 19:50:37 GMT 7
At least none of my sprogs ever INTENTIONALLY targeted my testicles. In fact, I've only been groined once all month, and that was a pre-nursery kid, who hasn't quite figured out that one should see an upraised hand before giving a "high five".   |
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Post by George61 on Apr 25, 2006 4:33:58 GMT 7
Maybe he thought it WAS a hand, Con!
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Post by George61 on May 8, 2006 16:06:22 GMT 7
Ah! Found the right board, at last....couldn't see it this morning. Referring to posts above, I wasn't quite convinced by the fulsome praise which came across in his phone call. I know I'm good an'all but too much rings warning bells. We pondered the decision for almost two weeks before burning bridges, etc. C'est la m'kayin vie!!!
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 8, 2006 23:20:13 GMT 7
Meanwhile. Had some further conversation with Josh, the guy who was doing the recruiting for them. He's cut all ties with Dr. Paul's. I don't know the full story, but I do buy into the idea that Josh was a victim here just like some of our members. I don't think he's at fault, at least not actively. And I don't think this situation is going to suddenly fix itself as if by magic. I think they've done a favor for us: I think they've revealed themselves as crooked and inept early on, saving you the heartbreak of finding out later with deeper involvement. And I do think there's a course of action for us. [glow=red,9,900][/glow] Yes, let us issue a fatwa of jihad against the infidels at Dr. Paul's. May their wives abandon them for Cameroonian English teachers. May their children remain sickly until they grow up and become gay porn stars. May their lines be long and their customer service agents be stupid. May their wells be poisoned, and may their livestock drink of the waters, die, and spread cholera throughout their village. May their plans all fail and their enterprises all lose money. May they succumb to all manner of loathsome skin infections, and may their hemorrhoids grow and prosper. May the DVD shop beside their office play only Carpenters songs at high volume, all day every day. May bad fortune stalk their families for seven times seven generations. The best way to hit these guys is to make a lot of noise about the incident. Tell the story anywhere you can...the more public, the better. If you get info such as addresses and phone numbers, pass them on. God is great, Yomama bin Raoul (and his wife, Margaret)  |
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Post by George61 on May 9, 2006 4:15:55 GMT 7
I have posted a warning on Nate's.
May their earholes turn to arseholes and poo all over their shoulders!
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Post by Dragonsaver on May 9, 2006 8:12:37 GMT 7
May the fleas of 1000 camels infest their armpits.  |
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Post by Mr Nobody on May 9, 2006 9:07:28 GMT 7
I think Raoul is right. I might even feel sorry for Josh, although he could have checked better if he is going to represent them.
Think of what might have happened if you found out AFTER you signed, moved and started work, and then the fit hit the shan, as Zelazny said in Lord of Light.
Probably luckier this way.
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Post by George61 on May 9, 2006 10:32:04 GMT 7
True enough. I didn't lambast Josh (too much) in the Nate post.
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 10, 2006 8:30:15 GMT 7
Here is what I am sending out... To All Members of the China EFL Community:
Call me Ishmael. Although I usually go by 'Raoul', and am an administrator and casino greeter at an online forum called "Raoul's China Expat Saloon." I'd like to make you aware of a bad situation currently playing out at an English school here in China.
Our forum recently ran Help Wanted ads for an entity called "Dr. Paul's Language School," an English school for Korean students based in Qingdao. The jobs looked pretty good, and our ads produced a number of responses from among our members and readers.
Eventually, several of our members received job offers. These typically took the form of phone or e-mail communications confirming the job offer, as well as a paper hard-copy of the contract, ready for the teacher's signature.
Some time afterwards, many of those who had been hired received e-mails from Dr. Paul's stating that the job offers were being withdrawn and that the contracts sent before would not be honored. Absolutely no explanation was given for this action; it was just "We're taking our job back, buh-bye."
This bad faith on the part of Dr. Paul's has caused and is causing some financial loss and hardship among those who were its victims. Most of these people had turned down other offers, rented apartments, and taken other actions that typically go with starting a new job.
Before even opening its doors, Dr. Paul's English School in Qingdao has demonstrated itself to be an employer that respects neither the agreements it makes with its teachers, nor the teachers with whom it strikes agreements.
We encourage all teachers in China to place Dr. Paul's English School on their "Do Not Apply" list, and to take extreme caution in any dealings they may ever have with this school.
Thank you for your attention.
Raoul
Raoul's China Expat Saloon
chinateachers.proboards17.com
Nate's China School Review
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Post by George61 on May 10, 2006 8:39:03 GMT 7
Yep. Pretty vicious!.....except for.......the doors apparently have been opened for sometime.
A statement of this kind should do great wonders for our fine upstanding Forum.........................and it's Boss. Do you reckon Sperling would stand this tall?
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Post by Non-Dave on May 10, 2006 8:57:08 GMT 7
Who cares what Sperling - or any of the others - would do? Their collective failure to do anything in situations like this only adds to the insult.
The bastard schools who act like this should know that there will be repercussions for their actions and this is a step in the right direction to make them accountable. I hope this message gets wide publication and I hope there will be more like it!
Perhaps those of you who had the firsthand experience with "Dr Paul" should send a similar mesage to the one above. Can you share your intended recipients with each other - maybe a list on here somewhere that has the places to post this kind of info?
Nice one Raoul.
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Post by Raoul Duke on May 10, 2006 9:34:05 GMT 7
Thanks, y'all.
I've hit TESall, ESL Teachers Board, CTF, and English School Watch. If you know of other good places, go ahead and paste me (and let me know here) or let me know about them.
Do anybody have a spare access to Dave's they could use to post this?
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Post by George61 on May 10, 2006 10:48:20 GMT 7
Yeah..I'll post it there. See if I get banned!!
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Post by Dr. Gonzo on May 10, 2006 14:43:22 GMT 7
It was there a short time ago.
Won't be in the morning.
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Post by Norbert Radd on May 10, 2006 15:24:12 GMT 7
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Post by George61 on May 10, 2006 17:21:45 GMT 7
Miss Piggy over at CTF has her say.....
I don't think we solicit, do you??
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