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Post by AMonk on Oct 1, 2006 20:33:15 GMT 7
I have always been accustomed to having my own "library" of resources for teaching. This means that I very often (almost always, in fact) end up photo-copying my own stuff to use with my students. Sometimes I copy on the office machine, other times I get it done at a photocopy shop. Usually I foot the (outsider) bill, but have also asked School to pick up the tab, from time to time. Especially if it's been an entire text/workbook.
Can you give me some guidance/ heads up advice how this may be perceived by the Schools in PRC?
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Post by George61 on Oct 1, 2006 20:48:36 GMT 7
Urally, if you want something printed, it can be done at the school, but efficiently, it will be done by you......at your cost. Schools are notoriously slow at printing stuff for teachers, and count each sheet of the cheapest paper money can buy!!
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Post by Dr. Gonzo on Oct 2, 2006 5:42:44 GMT 7
Or they charge the students. I just used to walk into the print room and photocopy. My Managers Class were also the CEOs and party secretaries of Shanghai Electric Corp, which owned the school, so very few questions got asked.
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 2, 2006 7:06:06 GMT 7
I do what George does, myself, including exam papers, for the same reasons.
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Post by George61 on Oct 2, 2006 7:21:02 GMT 7
I do what George does, myself, including exam papers, for the same reasons. Copy Cat!!!
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 2, 2006 8:05:15 GMT 7
Copy chicken, please.
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Post by George61 on Oct 2, 2006 9:48:04 GMT 7
Ummmmmm!
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 2, 2006 12:42:20 GMT 7
Copying the chicken. Not the cat.
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Post by Newbs on Oct 3, 2006 14:35:57 GMT 7
Sorry to hijack this thread from George and Nobody having name calling competitions or whatever, but to get back to Amonk's original question.
Rule no 1. In any school, China, Australia, any damn place, the copier person is your best friend. Make it so.
Second point. In Australia, there are fairly stringent rules concerning copying works still being published. But in China, hey, it's a whole new ball game, with a whole lotta new rules no rules at all.
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Post by AMonk on Oct 3, 2006 18:33:39 GMT 7
Thanx Newbs
Most of my "library" is out of print/hard to find material. But I do still copy the cover and copyright pages when I duplicate, to include with the handouts, (hoping/figuring this will satisfy most international regs). Most writers don't mind if it is "for educational/classroom purposes". So long as I don't plan on huge profits from resales.
I guess I can continue to photocopy.......even if I have to supply some paper from time to time. Yes?
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 3, 2006 20:10:32 GMT 7
Copyright for schools and 'educational purposes' is limited by international law to 10% of the material in any one volume last I heard, and not exactly up to the author in that sense. Even with the copyright pages. The name, author and publisher etc are required in any case. Articles are ok, though, but the 10% of the volume is still the rule.
Authors are usually cool if you contact them, unless it is just in print. Authors can give permission to sort of break their own copyright. However, they can also serious get the poos if you try it without permission. See about, for example, Terry Pratchett sometime, both one of the most generous of authors if you ask, but, quite rightly, quite short tempered if you don't ask.
It is still illegal to copy out of print works in their entirety without permission unless they are older than a certain period, which is pretty variable. After 50 years, or the copyright period depending on the renewals and estates and so on, it is open slather. For example, try copying Tarzan without permission, and it is nearing 100 years, although some rights have expired even there. But Frankenstein is OK. Sherlock Holmes on the other hand . . . .
However, the 10% rule just means putting it into 10 different piles as far as I can see. And Google just offered a way to get out of print books searched and downloaded, which is going to cause issues.
(you can guess I am an author, yes?)
Oh, yeah, sorry Amonk. China, on the other hand, has no rules, even thought they are signatories to the international agreements, so it is open slather anyway. Go for it.
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Post by AMonk on Oct 4, 2006 17:44:49 GMT 7
MrN: I can sympathize with your views. However, I doubt that Google will be able to help with texts like E.Pryce's How Good is Your English? (1985) or the (circa 1950) text From Ur to Rome, or Work With Words (1960).
I very seldom copy Literature. With the exception of Shakespeare or poetry, maybe. And then it is limited to exemplar pages (1-10 at most). Most of my handouts are from textbooks or Teacher-reproduceable worksheets. But, as I said, they are often out-of-print and/or near impossible to get copies of. Especially in sufficient quantities for classroom purposes.
The proverbial "rock and a hard place".
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 4, 2006 18:38:34 GMT 7
I do it too. I was just being poindexter again, pointing at the rules. I don't think anyone really cares for schools. If I was an author, and someone wanted to use my stuff for a class, I would be happy to let them go for it, perhaps even honoured (assuming it wasn't a "don't do it like this" example).
But they aren't my views, they are international agreements, or what I can recall of them. Any University has these as rules, too.
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Post by Ruth on Oct 4, 2006 21:27:09 GMT 7
The beauty of working in China is that nobody (not Nobody) follows the international rules when it comes to copyright.
Okay, maybe I shouldn't be that global. I'll rein it in to just me. I beg, borrow and steal whatever I think will work in the classroom. Could NEVER do what I do in the States, but I'm not there.
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