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Post by Chips Downe on Oct 25, 2005 0:02:38 GMT 7
Well, so far nothing new...but the end of the sentence is "with wedlock sexual intercourse"...
There's got to be a joke here, c'mon guys...but actually the (no, I'm not printing it for class discussion) last sentence really gets me...'sexual satisfaction does not only means (sic) physical pleasure'.
No? Really? What other kind of pleasure does sexual satisfaction mean?
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Post by Wolf on Oct 25, 2005 12:02:55 GMT 7
An emotional bond of intimacy of which the physical pleasure is but a symbol.
Marriages in many (most?) parts of the world (including where I was born) are often not based on emotional intimacy and sharing. Thus they are unfufilling, especially for women.
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Post by Ruth on Oct 25, 2005 22:13:18 GMT 7
What Wolf said. Women get all emotional about sexual relationships. It's in our genetic makeup.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 25, 2005 22:42:04 GMT 7
Partly agree partly disagree. In a committed emotional relationship I will be emotional about a sexual relationship. I feel it has a different power of communication.
BUT - if I am not deeply commited to the person then a different dynamic comes into play - and I am not emotional about the physical relationship. And so I would then tend to agree with Chips in that scenario. Whole different scene.
And in talking to my Chinese friends married more than about 10 years most of them tend to see their husbands as boring, predictable and are frustrated with their lack of adventure and drive - both in the bedroom and in other areas of their lives.
The younger married ones are still filled with the sense of adventure of early marriage - setting up home, making plans, having baby etc. They also tend to report that their husbands are more adventurous and less conservative than the older women mention.
Not certain if any of that adds anything useful to the discussion.
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Post by Newbs on Oct 26, 2005 5:36:05 GMT 7
Been looking for the reference before I post this, but I can't find it, so anyway I'll post and be damned. The claim was made that each time the average Chinese guy makes love to his wife, he takes about 2 minutes!
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 26, 2005 8:35:31 GMT 7
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 26, 2005 8:42:44 GMT 7
Timing is amazing - these one liners arrived in todays email.
Brilliant Sex Quotes
"Having sex is like playing bridge. If you don't have a good partner, you'd better have a good hand."
Woody Allen
"Bisexuality immediately doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night."
Rodney Dangerfield
"There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz 380SL."
Lynn Lavner
"Sex at age 90 is like trying to shoot pool with a rope."
Camille Paglia
"Sex is one of the nine reasons for incarnation. The other eight are unimportant."
George Burns
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch."
Jack Nicholson
"Clinton lied. A man might forget where he parks or where he lives, but he never forgets oral sex, no matter how bad it is."
Barbara Bush
"Ah, yes, divorce, from the Latin word meaning to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet."
Robin Williams
"Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place."
Billy Crystal
"According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other women. They say that women are too judgmental, where, of course, men are just grateful."
Robert De Niro
"There's a new medical crisis. Doctors are reporting that many men are having allergic reactions to latex condoms. They say they cause severe swelling. So what's the problem?"
Dustin Hoffman
"There's very little advice in men's magazines, because men think, 'I know what I'm doing. Just show me somebody naked'."
Jerry Seinfeld
"See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time."
Robin Williams
"It's been so long since I've had sex, I've forgotten who ties up whom."
Joan Rivers
"Sex is one of the most wholesome, beautiful and natural experiences money can buy."
Steve Martin
"You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman. Stuff you pay good money for in later life."
Elmo Phillips
"Bigamy is having one wife too many.. Monogamy is the same."
Oscar Wilde
"It isn't premarital sex if you have no intention of getting married."
George Burns
And the winner is:
"Women might be able to fake orgasms. But men can fake a whole relationship."
Sharon Stone
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Post by Newbs on Oct 26, 2005 10:31:20 GMT 7
No, there wasn't unfortunately. However, I remember, when I read it, thinking, gee, our Chinese brothers are damn slow. (Hey, that's a joke.)
Perhaps we need to have a league ladder showing from which country the best lovers come. Of course, Hogans would be number 1, but it would be interesting seeing where other countries fit in.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 26, 2005 11:09:03 GMT 7
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 26, 2005 11:12:52 GMT 7
No, there wasn't unfortunately. However, I remember, when I read it, thinking, gee, our Chinese brothers are damn slow. (Hey, that's a joke.) Methinks the lad doth protesteth too much! |
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 26, 2005 17:43:32 GMT 7
"What do you look for in a lover?"
"Me!"
The problem with sex is that people spend:
Too much time thinking about it.
Too much time trying to get it.
Too much time worrying about it.
And not enough time doing it.
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Post by con's fly is open on Oct 26, 2005 19:07:59 GMT 7
If sex isn't dirty you're not doing it right.
- Woody Allen
I was sad because I had no wife. Then I met a man with no hands.
- Anonymous
I don't worry about my players having sex before a big game; I worry about what they go through to get it.
- Casey Stengel
President Carter said he had lust in his heart. I'd hope it was located a lot lower than that.
- Shirley MacLaine
Higgamous, noggamous, woman's monogamous
Hoggamous, higgamous, man is polygamous
- friend of my Mom's
Bisexuals are the greediest people on earth.
- Dennis Miller
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 26, 2005 19:18:53 GMT 7
And because I now have copious bijiu, I will answer the OP:
Sorry, haven't got around to the other 25% yet.
(this is a joke, ok?)
Once I make love to a women, she is forever satisfied.
With her previous lover.
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Post by Chips Downe on Oct 26, 2005 22:25:29 GMT 7
Well, a mixed bag of responses... I must say I expected more honesty - more realism - ok, this is a polite forum... Actually my dearest Chinese girlfriend once asked me whether, as a Westerner, I thought it was true that men find it, ahem, more difficult to achieve as they get older (older than 30 or 40... believe it or not). She seemed quite surprised when I suggested that most of the 'older' Chinese men I know don't have much 'difficulty' away from their wives... and that it was more likely a question of size and space, especially after the obligatory baby is born...
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Post by Decurso on Oct 27, 2005 0:12:23 GMT 7
If sex isn't dirty you're not doing it right. - Woody Allen The winner in my opinion.This is why I do not fall for the temptation of beautiful Chinese girls when I have someone I love and knows what I like right at home. People dis porn movies for being an unrealistic expectation of sex...in fact it's what people should STRIVE for!It takes a lot of work and practice..as well as trust,love and commitment...but it's all worth it once you get there. Sorry to be so blunt downstairs.....but I've met so many sexullay fustrated people in this country it drives me nuts.I took a laowai friend to a brothel 2 weeks ago.I had a better time than him..I drunk with the boss and the girls.He came away complaining that a copse would've been more satisfying. Cheers to Woody............ 
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Post by Wolf on Oct 27, 2005 6:09:52 GMT 7
He would have been more satisfied witha grove of trees? ;D
My answer on what sort of satisfaction can be had from a truly satisfying relationship was made in earnest, and still stands. In response to Lotus Eater, I really didn't have casual relationships in mind when I wrote it. And I really don't quite know where I fit them in my grand scheme of things, so I can't really opine (opinonate? opinion-ify? opinion-ificate?) about them.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 27, 2005 6:30:44 GMT 7
Well, a mixed bag of responses... I must say I expected more honesty - more realism - ok, this is a polite forum... .. You got as honest as I am going to be in public - and you didn't exactly lead the way in honesty yourself! |
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Post by Ruth on Oct 27, 2005 8:44:00 GMT 7
Spoken like a happily married and satisfied man.
Chips Downe, Sorry to not be more honest or real in my first response. I'm with Wolf on this one. The quote was about marital intimacy - or lack thereof - so I'm not sure casual sex counts. Except when it takes away from the marital intimacy.
I'm blessed and I know it. I have a husband who loves and respects me OUTSIDE the bedroom and isn't afraid to show it. That is a huge part of what goes on behind closed doors. It matters. It's different in a whole other dimension than casual sex. Religious opinion warning. Proceed with caution: Our faith teaches that a wife is to be subject to her own husband as to the Lord and a husband is to love his wife as Christ loves the church and gave himself up for her (Eph 5:22-25). I think he has the harder job.
Many Chinese coworkers have commented often on our relationship - in the sense that they can see we have a good marriage and they envy it. My husband is my best friend as well as my lover. Their husbands don't treat them the way I am treated and they wish their husbands could be more like mine. I don't know how to help them. It's a cultural thing for the men to go off with friends in the evening. That happens in the west, too. Good marriages take work, like Decurso said.
I wonder what a similar poll in America would show. Does 1/4 unsatisfied imply that 75% are satisfied?
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Post by Chips Downe on Oct 27, 2005 9:19:43 GMT 7
Ach... so if sex takes place outside marriage it's 'casual' eh... well, you're in the right place it seems, but I don't think many Australians would agree with you.
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 27, 2005 9:28:06 GMT 7
Ach... so if sex takes place outside marriage it's 'casual' eh... well, you're in the right place it seems, but I don't think many Australians would agree with you. Chips - you are still asking for stuff you are not prepared to give!! |
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Post by George61 on Oct 27, 2005 9:28:33 GMT 7
Certainly my opinion, anyway. Sex in marriage is a much more serious affair. It also means great mental pleasure. Saves me from going round the twist! This explains why we happily married men are so great, and the rest of you are complete ding-a-lings! |
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Post by Lotus Eater on Oct 27, 2005 9:34:42 GMT 7
Certainly my opinion, anyway. Sex in marriage is a much more serious affair. It also means great mental pleasure. Saves me from going round the twist! This explains why we happily married men are so great, and the rest of you are complete ding-a-lings! Hey this is cool - I get the rest of the part that didn't appear on the thread when I hit quote!! Sex in marriage certainly costs a hell of a lot more - amkes it a very serious AFFAIR indeed! |
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Post by Wolf on Oct 27, 2005 10:51:32 GMT 7
Ach... so if sex takes place outside marriage it's 'casual' eh... well, you're in the right place it seems, but I don't think many Australians would agree with you. I'm guessing if it's just a physical involvemnt with no emotional side, then that would be what I think of when I imagine "casual"; yes. And yes, there are probably plenty of people who'd think I'm bonkers, Hogan, Canukistanian, and Zhonguoren alike. But there is hope for me, it seems. If I ever get married, one day I'll be as erudite as George. ;D |
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Post by Mr Nobody on Oct 27, 2005 11:04:09 GMT 7
Heaven* forfend you should become as erudite as George. Marriage won't deplete your skills that much. In my case I just walk around in a daze. But then, I did that before I was married, too.
Actually, the intimacy is THE big plus for me. Sex is just sex without it. I can no longer see the point in sex just for having sex. I haven't for years, which is why I got married, or at least one reason. Sex without intimacy is so ....... disappointing.
*Or Asgard forfend if you like.
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Post by Ruth on Oct 27, 2005 18:43:02 GMT 7
My definition as well, right or wrong. Which does not imply that ALL sex outside of marriage is casual.
No, I never said that. However, I would dearly hope that sex WITHIN marriage ISN'T casual. And this thread was started by quoting about sex within the marital relationship.
This is an edited version of the original post. Edited so that I could get the main points straight in my mind. Did the source indicate why 1/4 of Chinese women were not satisfied with wedlock sexual intercourse? That would add a lot to the discussion. If it is inattentive husbands in and out of the bedroom or a 'wham bam, thank you ma'am' quickie when HE feels the need, or a myriad of other reasons, Chinese wives are not alone in the world in being unsatisfied. Probably lots of unsatisfied husbands out there too. I'm interested in what the stats are for other countries.
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